Saturday, April 17, 2010

Do you think that the constant emphasis on false rape statistics has any impact on your perception of rape?

In keeping with the current theme, I'm interested in knowing whether the current "battle" over the legitimacy of sources/statistics is having any impact on your perception of rape.

Do you think that the constant emphasis on false rape statistics has any impact on your perception of rape?
Not at all. But I think that it makes me underscore how serious a crime it is has to be understood by everyone. And I mean everyone. People have to understand how serious it is in order to not do it. People have to understand how serious it is in order to not falsely accuse people of it, and to tell the authorities when they are indeed victimized by it. And the police and the courts have to understand how serious it is to perform their due diligence in investigating it.





If people took it more seriously, there would be fewer rapes, more of those that do happen would be reported, fewer reported rapes would be false, and more of those reports would lead to a conviction.
Reply:None whatsoever.





I will underscore a previous answer: rape is a horrible crime.





When a person is falsely accused of a horrible crime, this is also horrible, especially if the person is found guilty and punished.





Both can be included as a form of theft, whereby so much, both tangible and intangible, is stolen from the victim.
Reply:I guess the percentage of such cases is very small and can never reduce the attitude towards the horrifying crime of such kind. It does not affect my perception.
Reply:As long as you have feminist laws that allow for false allegations to be taken seriously and no punishment for those that are found out, you will always degrade the women who are really raped
Reply:Hi Telcee.... I think that rape happens not only in your country but in every part of the world. Women do suffer the most.





Have a great Christmas..... Hope you comment on my previous question.





Regards





MG
Reply:Good morning/night Teeleecee :-)





Not at all, statistics are relative nevertheless, and what is very sad is that many, never report a rape crime. For example, the surveys are based on testimonies of women over 12 years old. I read in an article (please don't ask me for a source, I just woke up), that 1/4th are younger :-( and that some documentation in the USA is conducted by phone. But, what about the women that are poorer where there is a highest rape rate and have no phone?


Also many rape victims are so ashamed or scared that never report it. In many third world countries the rape victims are higher and still less reported as there is a taboo stigma around it. We have known by the media of some brave women that have gone to the authorities just to be killed for this by their rapists or even their families to protect their "honour".





Rape statistics are always inaccurate, it is worse than what is presented to us about women, men and children :-(





It is a horrible crime
Reply:No impact whatsoever. Rape is Rape!
Reply:Absolutely not. There is always a certain amount of bad, a certain amount of lies in anything. You can't let such things take the focuss off the real issue at hand.
Reply:umm, Actually no,some people actually worsen it, u know, you know why smokers continue to smoke, because they are shown statistics, dt doesn't change anything, tdey believe stats are lies
Reply:Battling over numbers and statistics is just a way to move the argument from the relevant to the irrelevant. Is anyone going to argue that rape should not be condemned? I probably shouldn't even ask, because no doubt someone will endorse that notion. But whether it is the rape of a woman, man, or child, it is still a horrible crime. And whether it happens a million times a day or twice a day, it is still a horrible crime. The problem with assuming these polarized positions is that you fail to realize that 99% of life is in the gray area, not the black or white. Those living in the black and white world where the real issue is whether or not we have accurate statistics about rape are deluding themselves.
Reply:RAPE is a horrible crime and rapists don't get cured they rape till they are caught. i have a fool proof way of curing them KILL THEM
Reply:nah, rape is rape. Its bad alright.
Reply:No they are a mood point, it doesnt change anything for the ones invovled if 10 or 100 other girls have been raped. What is troublesome is the high number of FALSE accusations and the fact that too many women are impartial of these although they harm real rape victims.
Reply:No. Rape is a horrible crime.
Reply:No, rape is a horrible crime just like any crime with the intent to hurt somebody.





Anyway, what bugs me is some feminists who claim rape is a largely underreported crime. Yes, it is true; some women do not report it, but some also lie about it so they would negate each other out. They believe in the ''1/4 women are raped'' but not the ''1/4 men are innocent.''





The F.B.I. has found out that the rate of rape (for 2004) is at 4.9% [1]. A far cry from 25% commonly claimed by feminists. Even with those that do not report it, I don't think it would be much higher than 8% (which is already a lot).
Reply:Rape is RAPE. You can't do it 'accidentally'. The pig has a choice of what he is doing. Not only is it a nefarious crime, but it is extremely selfish! I mean, Think of these women and how much of an impact that something like this has on them after it's been done! They could get contracted some kind of life threatening illness, develop severe depression and contemplate suicide...So many other things too! It's wrong. Period.
Reply:No. Rape is a sickening crime and false statistics undermine efforts to deal with rape effectively. Either under-reporting (by women who think they won't be believed) or over-reporting (by feminists who expand the definition of rape) is a real problem. Re the latter:


"[t]oday’s definition of date or acquaintance rape stretches beyond acts of violence or physical force. According to common definitions of date rape, even verbal coercion or manipulation constitutes rape” (Roiphe, 1993, pp. 66–67) and “with such a sweeping definition of rape, I wonder how many people there are, male or female, who haven’t been date-raped at one point or another. People pressure and manipulate and cajole each other into all sorts of things all the time” (Roiphe, 1993, p. 79).





'Linguistic inflation' of terms like 'rape' and 'sexual abuse' only the muddies the waters of these serious issues. It is sick of feminists to use victims of crime as a pawn in their political game. The bottom line is that statistical distortion in no way helps victims of these serious crimes (e.g. they might not be taken seriously) and does nothing to help put real rapists in jail (e.g. resources are wasted by focusing on lesser offenses).





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Its important to distinguish between perceptions of rape and perceptions of statistics about rape. Tragically the two can be very different and are far too easily confused.
Reply:Rape is a horrible crime and would always remain horrible as long as it exist. It is true that some women falsely claim rape on men resulting in a bad name put on women who are actually raped. The false rape statistics has no profound impact on me and spoils my perception of rape.
Reply:Rape statistics are always false- they are always under reported, specially when it involves a family member. So any statistics anyone produces is usually only the tip of the iceberg. Are you meaning perception in terms of numbers or perception in terms of the crime itself.Whatever the stats the crime is horrensous and that does not change
Reply:Not trying to be rude but..





Women nowadays scream rape far too often for me to take them seriously.
Reply:If you don't want to be raped don't hang out with non-whites.





The contrasts are even more stark in the case of interracial rape. Studies from the late 1950s showed that the vast majority of rapes were same-race offenses. Research in Philadelphia carried out in 1958 and 1960 indicated that of all rapes, only 3.2 percent were black-on-white assaults and 3.6 percent were white-on-black. Since that time, the proportion of black-on-white rapes has soared. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40 percent of all rapes were of whites by blacks, and not one case of white-on-black rape was found. In general, through the 1970s, black-on-white rape was at least ten times more common that white-on-black rape. [319]





Because interracial rape is now overwhelmingly black on white, it has become difficult to do research on it or to find relevant statistics. The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the way it presents rape data obscures the racial element rather than clarifies it. Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University, had to sift carefully through the data to find that in 1988 there were 9,406 cases of black-on-white rape and fewer than ten cases of white-on-black rape. [320] Another researcher concludes that in 1989, blacks were three or four times more likely to commit rape than whites, and that black men raped white women thirty times as often as white men raped black women. [321]





Interracial crime figures are even worse than they sound. Since there are more than six times as many whites as blacks in America, it means that any given black person is vastly more likely to commit a crime against a white than vice versa.





Source(s)





319. Gary D. LaFree, “Male Power and Female Victimization: Toward a Theory of Interracial Rape,” American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 88, No. 2 (September 1982).





320. William Wilbanks, “Frequency and Nature of Interracial Crimes,” submitted for publication to the Justice Professional (November 7, 1990). Data derived from Department of Justice, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1987, p. 53.





321. Andrew Hacker, Two Nations, pp. 183, 185.
Reply:I prefer to se rape statistics through the media. Allow me to elaborate: here, a rape new comes every 10 days. Lets assume that it represents 20% of rapes (because blah blah blah unreported blah blah, and because the media puts enphasis in this kind of stories) so, every 2 days, a woman is raped in a 10 million people population (a cluster of cities). See?


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